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pilots and planes swallowed by the ufo

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by charles lear because the f stands for

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flying in the acronym

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ufo it stands to reason that pilots

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should frequently be ufo witnesses

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they certainly are and there is even a

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specialized reporting center just for

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them

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the national aviation reporting center

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on anomalous phenomena

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was founded in 1999 by dr richard m

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haynes the organization is dedicated to

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the study of unidentified

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aerial phenomena and their effects on

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aviation safety

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by the way dr haines finds the ufo

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designation for the phenomena so

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distasteful

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he refuses to appear on podcast ufo

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most pilots prefer to remain anonymous

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as publicly admitting to seeing a flying

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saucer

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is not usually an enhancement to their

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careers there are however

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sightings that have made national and

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international news with the pilot's name

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included

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these go as far back as 1947 with the

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sighting by kenneth arnold

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and another that same year by a

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soon-to-be friend ej

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smith along with his group but sometimes

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there are encounters where planes

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disappear from radar

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and pilot witnesses are not left behind

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to tell their tales

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when approaching this subject it's

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natural to begin with the bermuda

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triangle

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in the tragic december 5th 1945 case of

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flight 19.

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this involved five tbm avenger torpedo

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bombers

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that took off on a training mission and

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never returned

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27 men were lost and never seen again

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though some have speculated that aliens

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were responsible

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there's no record of the pilots

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reporting any ufos

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a more plausible explanation is that the

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leader became confused

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lost trust in his compass and led his

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squadron far into the atlantic

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where they ran out of fuel there's

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another triangle known as the great

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lakes triangle that has claimed its

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share of victims

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this was the area of a truly mysterious

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case involving a vanishing plane

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and a ufo seen on radar known as the

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kinross incident

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this event occurred over lake superior

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on november 23

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1953 an unknown aircraft traveling

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at 500 miles per hour approximately 160

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miles to the northwest

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was spotted on radar at kinross air

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force base at 23

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22 hours 11 22 pm an f-89c

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all-weather jet interceptor was

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scrambled to intercept

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there were two men on board the pilot

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and the radar observer lieutenant robert

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wilson the last radio contact was made

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at approximately 2352

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by the radar station at kinross at 2355

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the blips of the f-89c

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and the unknown merged and then faded

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there was no further contact with the

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f-89c

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an extensive search was made and no

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trace of the aircraft or its crew was

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five years prior to this there was the

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mantel incident

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which involved kentucky air national

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guard pilot thomas mantel

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mantel was chasing a ufo and pursued it

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beyond an altitude of 25 000 feet

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where according to the air force report

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he likely succumbed to hypoxia

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lack of oxygen and lost consciousness a

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witness reported seeing his plane fall

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to the earth in a spiral descent

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the case received national press

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coverage and the air force explanation

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offered by j allen heineck as scientific

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consultant for project sign

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was that mantel had chased the planet

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heineck in 1952 rejected that

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explanation when he determined venus was

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not bright enough at that time to have

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captain edward j rupelt was satisfied

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that mantell had been chasing a u.s

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navy skyhook weather balloon which was

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neither explanation satisfied the press

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learned from this case

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influenced the air force's handling of

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the press after the kinross incident

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this case received very little coverage

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and might have been forgotten were it

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not for donald kehoe

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kehoe wrote about the case in his 1955

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the flying saucer conspiracy the air

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force explanation that still stands

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was that the ufo was a royal canadian

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and that some sort of interaction other

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than the collision caused the f-89c to

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crash

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the canadian government denied that any

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of its planes was involved in the

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in 2006 francis ridge of the national

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomena

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received an email that claimed there had

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been wreckage found of an f-89c

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on the bottom of lake superior a company

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called the great lakes dive company

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had supposedly spotted it and had a

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website where an

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adam jimenez hosted a forum to discuss

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the discovery the story traveled

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throughout the ufo community

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and investigators looked into it linda

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interviewed adam jumenez on coast to

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coast am radio on september 22nd

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2006. in an october 7 2006 update on her

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earthfiles.com she reports that the gldc

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website is no longer functional and that

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jimenez and his associate jim bessette

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would not return phone calls or emails

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she had been told the company would be

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moving and not settled until october and

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she speculates that this might be a

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making this unlikely however is the news

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that mufon director james carrion

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had been unable to find evidence of a

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company doing business in the state of

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under the name given a transcript of the

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amenas interview

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is included below the update and jimenez

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presents some intriguing evidence

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according to him they were using a sonar

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array to look for two french-canadian

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that had sunk off the kuina peninsula

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and needed to be repaired when they

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looking for the minesweepers

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they were close to its last known

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coordinates

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an image of what looks like the plane is

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as is another image that looks like a

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disc lying at the edge of a wedge-shaped

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as intriguing as this is there are good

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arguments that this was a hoax including

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the fact that adam jimenez

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seems to have never existed a more

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recent case comes from australia

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it is known as the valentich

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disappearance and as the name suggests

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involves the disappearance of a young

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pilot named frederick valentich

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on october 21st 1978 valentich was

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flying a cessna 182

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in the early evening near cape otway

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he radioed air traffic control in

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melbourne to ask about traffic in the

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area below 5000 feet

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and was told there was none he then

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reports that there seems to be a large

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aircraft there with four landing lights

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he says that it passed over him and that

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it seems to be playing

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some sort of game he describes it as not

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being an aircraft that it has a long

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orbits and he describes that it has a

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green light and is shiny and metallic

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he describes it vanishing and then

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hovering over him again

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he repeats that it's not an aircraft and

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the tower operator from melbourne tells

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his story in a segment from the

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flight service operator steven roby

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reports that after the transmission

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there was a clicking sound that was

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conducted using two

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raaf transport planes and nothing was

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it was assumed that valentich had

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crashed into the ocean

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the case was headline news the next day

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and witnesses came forward saying they'd

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seen unusual lights in the area

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a plumber roy manifold presented

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pictures of what he claimed was an

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object that had come

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out of the water and flown away at high

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speed the best of those is blurry

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valentich's plane was never found and

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theories ranging from alien abduction

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to him faking his death had been floated

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but nothing has ever been proven

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conclusively

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richard haynes along with paul norman of

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the victorian ufo research society

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wrote a paper valentich disappearance

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new evidence and a new conclusion

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it was published in the journal of

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scientific exploration

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2000. it includes testimony from three

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witnesses who claim they saw an airplane

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in the area

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at the time of valentich's last

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transmission they said that it descended

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angle with a much larger object with

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green lights flying just above it

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the abstract concludes that the plane

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probably crashed

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and that the reported object remains to

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be identified

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pilots and planes disappearing have

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fascinated the public since the

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disappearance of amelia earhart

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planes are quite small when compared to

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the vastness of lake superior or the

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and could easily evade discovery for

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however until they are discovered a

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mystery is a mystery

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and certain cases will continue to

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generate theories and speculations